Health IT Horizons: A Journey of Innovation, Education, and Empowerment

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[00:00:56] Hello there and welcome to the HIT Like a Girl Podcast.

[00:00:59] My name is Joy Rios.

[00:01:01] This is a show where we get to talk about how the complicated world of health care is,

[00:01:06] and I often liken it to a 30,000-piece puzzle where we're all trying to figure out what

[00:01:11] is the big picture.

[00:01:12] And each one of our guests brings an area of their expertise or a piece of the puzzle.

[00:01:17] So I am thrilled with who we have on today.

[00:01:20] I'm going to give her a moment to introduce herself.

[00:01:23] Juliette, please let us know all about you.

[00:01:25] Yes.

[00:01:26] Hi everyone.

[00:01:27] My name is Juliette Wombara.

[00:01:28] I wear many hats.

[00:01:30] So I am a project manager at a health IT AI company.

[00:01:37] Also teach project management in a health IT program at UT Austin, and I have my own

[00:01:43] baby, my own business, Rea Essential, where I do help train future health IT professionals

[00:01:50] to pass their Rea certification and a YouTube channel where I talk about health IT, hopefully

[00:01:56] to influence students.

[00:01:57] So, a lot of hats.

[00:01:59] A lot of hats.

[00:02:00] Can you tell us a little bit more about what makes you so impassioned and excited about

[00:02:05] Rea specifically?

[00:02:06] Because that is pretty incredible what you're doing, but how did you get there?

[00:02:11] Yeah, so I actually was studying to take my Rea.

[00:02:14] And for people who don't know what that is, we would think that they do, but

[00:02:17] like listeners that don't, what is that?

[00:02:20] Of course.

[00:02:21] So AHIMA has a, well AHIMA is an organization in health IT.

[00:02:24] AHIMA and then there's HIMS, they're like the two major players.

[00:02:28] So AHIMA has a certification.

[00:02:31] It's called the Rea certification.

[00:02:32] It stands for the registered health information administrator.

[00:02:36] And it's an exam that people can take in order to prove that they know the ins

[00:02:41] and outs when it comes to taking care of patient data governance.

[00:02:47] There's law.

[00:02:48] There's data standards.

[00:02:49] This project management is just a lot of information compiled in this

[00:02:54] exam.

[00:02:55] So you took that exam and then you wanted to teach others how they could succeed

[00:02:59] in taking that exam?

[00:03:01] Is that accurate?

[00:03:02] Correct, because I could not find anyone to help me when I was studying.

[00:03:06] I was like, wait, there has to be a way to help other people so they don't go

[00:03:08] through what I went through.

[00:03:11] And so I just did it and I've helped a lot of people and it's really fulfilling.

[00:03:16] OK, so tell me more about how you help them because I've seen your

[00:03:20] presence in the way that you are not shy at all in front of a camera,

[00:03:24] which I am a little bit jealous of, but in a good way.

[00:03:27] And I just like really wanted to, like, I guess get your perspective on how

[00:03:34] you show up for the people that are looking for the type of support that

[00:03:37] you didn't have.

[00:03:38] Learning can be boring.

[00:03:40] And so my thing is I try to make it as fun as possible and because

[00:03:45] it can get boring all the lingo and it's just it's not fun.

[00:03:48] So my thing is I want to educate you and help you understand

[00:03:52] the concepts and tell you what you really need to understand.

[00:03:56] And so how I do it, I used to do it on Zoom.

[00:03:58] So when I first started off, it was a Zoom every Saturday for six weeks.

[00:04:03] Come and sit there for two hours and listen to me talk on and on.

[00:04:07] But over time, I wanted to be just more organized with it.

[00:04:12] And so now it is an online prep course that people can take in order

[00:04:17] and do self-paced whenever they want.

[00:04:20] So that transition has helped me other people who couldn't make those Saturdays.

[00:04:26] That's kind of a big deal.

[00:04:27] So you're sort of becoming your own production company, right?

[00:04:30] Where you're creating content that's available on YouTube or elsewhere

[00:04:34] that's like on demand in support of their career goals.

[00:04:39] That's so cool, Juliette.

[00:04:41] Thank you.

[00:04:41] So when you started, can you talk about some of the challenges

[00:04:45] that have come up from that?

[00:04:47] Was that just easy for you to be like, all right, I'm going to,

[00:04:50] I am going to speak to an audience that I don't know exactly who they are

[00:04:53] and give them the support.

[00:04:55] And also, can you share with us who your audience is

[00:04:58] and who you feel most connected with?

[00:04:59] It was not easy.

[00:05:00] I was freaking out because I am comfortable, but it's like,

[00:05:05] I can't see who is watching me when you're on YouTube

[00:05:08] or when you're talking to someone on Zoom.

[00:05:11] Like it's kind of hard to see all these students.

[00:05:12] So I kind of went through a moment of just nervousness.

[00:05:16] And am I good enough?

[00:05:18] What am I doing?

[00:05:19] Do I know enough?

[00:05:20] But I had to listen to a lot of podcasts and a lot of just kind of self help

[00:05:25] things that kind of encourage me to push forward, that kind of get rid

[00:05:29] of that imposter syndrome because it definitely was present and say,

[00:05:33] hey, like I don't know everything, but I know enough to help someone else.

[00:05:38] And so I kind of had to remind myself of that

[00:05:41] and get encouragement from friends and family as I was doing it.

[00:05:45] And the more I did it, the more comfortable I got.

[00:05:47] And then who are you finding that you're helping?

[00:05:49] Like if you do have a case study or a student in mind that you're just like,

[00:05:52] oh, I made a difference for that person.

[00:05:54] I'd love to hear it.

[00:05:55] It kind of varies, right?

[00:05:56] I have students that are currently maybe seniors at their health IT programs

[00:06:02] and they know stuff, but they're not really getting what they need

[00:06:06] from their programs when it comes to taking that certification.

[00:06:09] And so they just want to be sure that they're ready.

[00:06:11] And then I have students that have been out of school for 10 or 15 years

[00:06:15] and they want to get that job.

[00:06:17] But the issue is that they have to get the certification.

[00:06:21] If not, they're going to lose their job or can I get that promotion?

[00:06:25] So I have a lot of different profiles when it comes to people that I help.

[00:06:31] But they all have the same issue.

[00:06:32] They need confidence, they need knowledge and what's going on for like for the exam.

[00:06:37] And I provide that to them.

[00:06:39] Is really the type of exam that somebody has to take multiple times,

[00:06:42] like an annual or is it on an annual basis?

[00:06:45] Or it's like a one and done type situation.

[00:06:47] It is a one and done.

[00:06:49] You do have to, of course, have your continuing education units,

[00:06:53] you know, like all certifications.

[00:06:54] But once you take it that one time, you are done with it.

[00:06:57] What I would like to know also is when you consider the one and done

[00:07:01] aspect of it, like what is it that it opens up?

[00:07:04] What are the opportunities that open up for people after they have taken

[00:07:09] and passed the exam?

[00:07:11] The possibilities are endless.

[00:07:13] And I always say it's what you make it.

[00:07:15] So some people may pass their RIA and then be able to apply for a job

[00:07:20] that they didn't qualify for, but they now do because they have their certification

[00:07:24] for other people studying for this exam opens them up to other sectors

[00:07:29] of health IT that they never thought that they even really enjoyed

[00:07:33] until they studied about it in my course.

[00:07:36] Some people end up doing my course and then want to become educators, right?

[00:07:40] So I've had a lot of different stories of what happened from that moment.

[00:07:45] So it varies. It really does vary.

[00:07:47] Can you tell me more about your personal journey

[00:07:49] because what happened for you after you finished it?

[00:07:52] Like you clearly are wearing a lot of hats.

[00:07:55] Do you like wearing that many hats?

[00:07:57] Do you want like if what do you see for your future one

[00:08:01] and three and five years from now as if I'm, you know, let's manifest?

[00:08:05] After I took my RIA, I was already working in the health IT field

[00:08:10] as a project manager slash implementation person.

[00:08:16] And so what it really did was it allowed me to really understand my clients

[00:08:22] better and really have just better conversation about what was going on at

[00:08:27] their facility. So that was really great.

[00:08:29] And then from taking the exam, it really just opened my mind up to,

[00:08:34] oh, like I don't have to be pigeonholed in this like little bubble.

[00:08:38] There's a lot of things that I really enjoyed and, you know, want to expand on.

[00:08:42] So it really just opened my mind to everything.

[00:08:45] And I know I wear a thousand hats is something that gives me pleasure.

[00:08:50] I always tell people like health IT kind of saved my life.

[00:08:53] I say that because I discovered health IT from just failure

[00:08:59] and from not really knowing what to do with my career.

[00:09:04] And once I discovered health IT, I just kind of fell in love.

[00:09:07] And so I just have this passion about giving back and doing all that I can.

[00:09:12] So my many hats are for a reason it's to I mean, the main reason is just to

[00:09:17] expose students to not only the opportunities available,

[00:09:22] but just pushing them to be the best professionals possible because we need them,

[00:09:26] especially with dealing with PHI.

[00:09:28] You need people that know how to handle it, but also just being able to help my

[00:09:32] clients and not just help them implement something or help them get something done,

[00:09:38] but actually fully understand where they're coming from and put myself in their shoes.

[00:09:43] You're doing a great service.

[00:09:45] Only one because workforce, right?

[00:09:47] Like there is this is health care supposedly a third.

[00:09:52] Of jobs in the US economy and there's especially clinicians and nurses.

[00:09:57] We're facing a lot of burnout, like the responsibility is significant

[00:10:01] and having qualified people to work in the industry is needed in a way that I

[00:10:06] don't think that we have ever known before.

[00:10:09] Like there's just so much to be done.

[00:10:12] But I love to know more about how you found it, right?

[00:10:16] Because I was I can say from a similar perspective,

[00:10:19] I didn't know that health care or health IT is where that I where I was going to

[00:10:23] land career wise.

[00:10:24] But once I found it, I was like, oh, this isn't my place.

[00:10:27] But how did you how did you find it?

[00:10:29] Funny story, how I discovered health IT was I was actually a podiatry

[00:10:36] student at a college or medical school, podiatry school in Ohio.

[00:10:42] And I was there, but I was mentally not there.

[00:10:46] I did not enjoy anything that I was learning, but I just really wanted that title.

[00:10:52] And one day in class, the teacher that I had mentioned that, hey, you know,

[00:10:57] by the way, guys, health IT is this new thing and there's going to be a lot

[00:11:00] of technology and things going on.

[00:11:02] So as future podiatrists, just make sure that you are aware of this

[00:11:07] and she was done.

[00:11:08] But everyone wrote it down.

[00:11:10] They left it.

[00:11:11] But for me, I was like, wait a minute, what is health IT?

[00:11:15] And so from that moment, I just started to research and dig into exactly

[00:11:20] what it was. And the more I looked into it, the more I wanted to do it.

[00:11:25] I just kind of started trying to find programs.

[00:11:27] And from there, it led me to, you know, this is what I should be doing.

[00:11:32] Like this interest that I have should be what your career should feel like

[00:11:37] something that you enjoy doing.

[00:11:38] And I truly enjoy health IT and all of its benefits.

[00:11:42] Now, do you find yourself ever in a clinic setting or patient facing?

[00:11:46] Or is your work like 100 percent kind of behind a computer or in an office setting?

[00:11:52] I am more so behind the scenes helping the actual organizations.

[00:11:57] However, there are moments where I may have to go travel and go to a facility

[00:12:02] and then kind of see firsthand the impact of the technology, which I love

[00:12:07] doing that for a lot of years, especially in past jobs, a lot of travel,

[00:12:11] a lot of patients and doctors and all that.

[00:12:14] So I've seen both worlds.

[00:12:16] I like both. Yeah, I'd love also to know if you're interested in sharing

[00:12:20] some of the impact that you have seen that health IT has in a clinic setting.

[00:12:26] Right? Like sometimes we can feel so far away from the work that we're doing.

[00:12:30] And you realize, oh, no, I'm actually making a difference.

[00:12:32] Do you have examples of that?

[00:12:34] Oh, of course.

[00:12:35] The first thing that popped in my head as soon as you said that this

[00:12:38] was from a job probably in 2015, 2016.

[00:12:42] I was in Florida implementing a hospital.

[00:12:46] They had about, I want to say, like 35 locations.

[00:12:49] It was like this huge entity.

[00:12:52] And so I was I was at one clinic and there was a medical assistant

[00:12:56] and her job was to check people in and get them ready.

[00:13:00] But she was flustered because it's so many people coming in and out.

[00:13:05] And like you can see the stress on her face.

[00:13:08] And so I was there to, you know, finalize implementation, get her

[00:13:12] like kind of get them live.

[00:13:14] And after showing her, hey, this is what you're going to be doing.

[00:13:17] This is a iPad and you're just going to hand them the iPad.

[00:13:20] They're going to do all this for you.

[00:13:22] And then you can just sit back, look at your computer, check them in

[00:13:25] and just focus on other things.

[00:13:27] Once she got the hang of that by like day three or four,

[00:13:31] like she wanted to hug all of us because the weight that was on her

[00:13:36] shoulders to manage the office was off.

[00:13:40] And remember that, like she's the starting point, right?

[00:13:43] She's the person that has to ensure that everybody gets their care.

[00:13:47] So if she doesn't do her job well, the nurse can't do their job.

[00:13:51] The doctor can, you know, can I do their job well?

[00:13:53] So it was a lot of pressure.

[00:13:55] And I just saw her feel, I just physically saw that release.

[00:13:59] And I said, yeah, this is this is powerful.

[00:14:01] Yeah, I feel like we kind of have a responsibility to do our best to make

[00:14:05] their jobs as easily doable as possible so that they can focus on the things

[00:14:11] that really matter, you know, that like what did they say?

[00:14:14] Like higher to the top of their ability.

[00:14:17] Exactly. Yeah.

[00:14:18] And basically like intake, you know, we can make that easier.

[00:14:21] Yes, we can help you check these people in and you can focus on other things.

[00:14:26] So there's so much to do in a medical facility, so much.

[00:14:29] When I think about like your students and the people that are coming to you,

[00:14:34] is it only through YouTube?

[00:14:36] Did you say you have online and on demand courses?

[00:14:39] Do people have an opportunity to spend time with you live one on one?

[00:14:43] Or is that not part of your model?

[00:14:44] I have currently because right now for those that are RIA

[00:14:49] takers past present, they know that right now RIA is going through a beta phase.

[00:14:55] And so the exam has changed a little bit.

[00:14:57] So my course is currently being worked on and improved to meet those changes.

[00:15:01] But in the past, the way that it worked is I have a YouTube platform, RIA essential.

[00:15:08] If you're studying for your RIA and you just don't want to pay me to educate

[00:15:12] you on anything, you can check out the platform.

[00:15:15] I talk about the exam and I also talk about just RIA or just health IT

[00:15:19] careers just in general, right?

[00:15:21] So it's all for students.

[00:15:23] But for those that do want to pay, I did have a standard plan and a premium plan.

[00:15:28] And so the premium students were able to have one on one with me

[00:15:33] and I would do things for them on the side.

[00:15:36] So that was kind of my model at that moment.

[00:15:40] I am making changes as we speak.

[00:15:42] And then I do also do event bright things where I have like game

[00:15:47] like RIA game nights and just some fun stuff.

[00:15:51] I love it.

[00:15:52] Yeah.

[00:15:52] Like how do you how what are the other ways that you make it fun?

[00:15:55] So I mean, a RIA game night.

[00:15:56] What would that involved and how can I sign up?

[00:15:58] Yeah, so that was Kahoot.

[00:16:00] And I did give out some gift cards for those that, you know, did well.

[00:16:04] We had a pretty good turnout and people just learned from each other.

[00:16:08] And it was just a good time just to learn and have fun.

[00:16:11] I love that.

[00:16:12] I just I love that model.

[00:16:13] And I think that you're right about when learning about how you're going

[00:16:16] to make a difference that it's got to be fun.

[00:16:18] It's got to be engaging.

[00:16:20] People actually want to be there and want to learn more and hopefully

[00:16:24] learn from each other.

[00:16:25] You had mentioned a minute ago about the different health IT careers.

[00:16:29] And I went, if you have a list of those, do you think that you can like

[00:16:34] state state them so that listeners could know?

[00:16:37] Like, listen, these are the possibilities of what is available to you

[00:16:41] career wise and because it's not just, I think nurse informatics

[00:16:46] or, you know, particular types of doctors.

[00:16:49] So let's hear those job titles.

[00:16:51] Well, there are a lot of them.

[00:16:53] If it goes to a Hema, they have the career map.

[00:16:56] If you go to Hems, they have a packet.

[00:17:00] I give my students that UT access to both.

[00:17:03] If I there's so many, I probably couldn't name all of them.

[00:17:06] I can name a few.

[00:17:07] Let's hear it.

[00:17:07] Product manager, of course, project manager, data analyst.

[00:17:12] You can be a like a legal legal analyst.

[00:17:17] I will call it an analyst, but like someone that is focused on helping

[00:17:20] the institution when it comes to like the legalities of health IT

[00:17:24] privacy officer.

[00:17:26] You have your medical coders.

[00:17:28] You have your chief or not even chief, but just nursing informatics

[00:17:32] professionals.

[00:17:33] You have your cancer registry people.

[00:17:35] They're always forgotten, but they are part of our community.

[00:17:39] There's so, so many cancer.

[00:17:41] Reds so basically registries for any type of cancer or just generic

[00:17:45] cancer registry, like all cancers.

[00:17:47] Well, cancer registry, it will depend on the location, but they are there

[00:17:51] to kind of help report and keep track of the actual cancers that

[00:17:56] someone may or may not have, and they will report it over to the

[00:18:00] agencies and stuff like that.

[00:18:02] So, but there are other registries out there outside of just cancer

[00:18:06] registries. There's immunization registries,

[00:18:08] yeah, syndromic surveillance, so many diseases.

[00:18:12] So much.

[00:18:13] So all of that is involved.

[00:18:15] You have your people that work the front desk, they may not have

[00:18:20] got master's degrees, but they still are a part of the health

[00:18:24] IT family. So yeah, ranges.

[00:18:27] There's so many.

[00:18:27] And then there's doctors who actually study informatics and

[00:18:31] they decide to go ahead and do that.

[00:18:33] And to add to that, educators, you may not work in the field.

[00:18:37] Exactly.

[00:18:38] But if you're educating people about health IT, you are a part of

[00:18:43] the community. You are helping to push it forward.

[00:18:45] I think a lot about patient education or and just not just

[00:18:50] patient specific education, but even medical literacy and

[00:18:53] like literacy in general is an area that we would like

[00:18:57] everybody to be, you know, to level up in so that we can

[00:19:01] have leveled up conversations.

[00:19:03] But wow, is that hard?

[00:19:05] And conversations I've had with folks have been like, well,

[00:19:07] whose responsibility is it to provide that level of education?

[00:19:12] And it's, it's all of us.

[00:19:13] The answer is everybody.

[00:19:15] It's not a single entity.

[00:19:17] And so it takes people stepping up and being like, I'm going

[00:19:21] to be part of this solution.

[00:19:22] And I just have so much respect for what you do and applaud

[00:19:26] that you just literally are doing it.

[00:19:28] Like there's a lot of people that come with that fear of

[00:19:32] like, oh, should I do something or should I like

[00:19:34] you see something that needs to be done and you've

[00:19:36] just decided to do it?

[00:19:38] And I will share with our listeners how we met, if you don't mind.

[00:19:41] You know, of course.

[00:19:42] So we had an event in Washington, DC, and I'm not exactly

[00:19:46] sure how you found out about it, but you are based out of

[00:19:49] Texas and literally like shared that you had flown all the

[00:19:53] way to DC to be there for our networking event.

[00:19:56] And I was just so floored by your like get up and go

[00:20:00] this right that I was like, I honestly was honored to

[00:20:04] be in your presence that day and felt like just so, I don't

[00:20:08] know, proud that we were creating something that was

[00:20:12] enough of a pull for you to make an effort, that level

[00:20:16] of effort to be there.

[00:20:17] And then to find out what it is that you're doing.

[00:20:20] I was just like, this woman is impressive.

[00:20:23] I was like hands down all kudos to you.

[00:20:26] Yeah.

[00:20:26] And thank you because I actually just to share how

[00:20:29] how did I get there?

[00:20:30] So I actually already knew about you from just social media.

[00:20:35] I'm like, wow, who's this person like empowering women, you

[00:20:38] know, in health IT because it's such a man man world and just

[00:20:44] just want to push those barriers aside.

[00:20:46] So that excited me.

[00:20:47] And then I actually connected with one of your partners.

[00:20:52] And from there, she was like, Hey, are you going to be

[00:20:54] in DC?

[00:20:55] And I'm like, well, no, but I can be like, sure.

[00:20:58] I just I just love networking with people that really have a

[00:21:01] passion for health IT.

[00:21:03] And I just see that in your organization.

[00:21:06] So I just I had to be there, you know, I had to be there.

[00:21:09] That means and meant a lot to me at the time.

[00:21:11] And I think about the passion that we have and it's not

[00:21:13] just for health care.

[00:21:14] It's not just for technology.

[00:21:16] Like encompasses policy and of course, a leveling up of women

[00:21:20] in the industry and gender expansive people and beyond.

[00:21:23] But just sort of there's so much work to be done.

[00:21:26] I think that I am similar to you in the sense of just like, oh,

[00:21:30] how can I help?

[00:21:32] But essentially, that's where it comes from.

[00:21:34] There's so much that needs to be done.

[00:21:35] You can't necessarily wait for somebody to tell you what to do.

[00:21:38] Like, you just got to see it and find the problem that you want

[00:21:43] to solve and just go after it.

[00:21:45] So I'm thinking what are the best ways that we can support you?

[00:21:49] Like what would be a great level of support?

[00:21:52] Would it be followers?

[00:21:54] Is it listeners?

[00:21:55] Is it attendees?

[00:21:56] You know, tell me.

[00:21:57] My biggest passion, aside from everything that I do,

[00:22:01] my biggest passion is educating students and exposing them to health IT.

[00:22:06] And I try to do that on my YouTube channel.

[00:22:09] So getting people that will either talk to me about what they do

[00:22:14] for their careers or just telling students about the platform would be amazing.

[00:22:20] I definitely have dreams of making it a whole lot bigger than what it is

[00:22:24] right now, aside from YouTube.

[00:22:26] But that would be like the biggest thing.

[00:22:28] If you are a speaker or some type of professional in health IT and you do

[00:22:33] something every day that maybe someone is wondering about, reach out.

[00:22:38] Let me know.

[00:22:38] Hey, I would love to be on your health IT playground show.

[00:22:43] And I'll definitely love to talk to you.

[00:22:44] I just want to educate students.

[00:22:46] That's it.

[00:22:46] And it sounds like you would be bringing them inspiration,

[00:22:49] something to be inspired by.

[00:22:50] Exactly.

[00:22:51] I love that.

[00:22:52] Will you mind sharing with me your big dream?

[00:22:54] What's your like, you know, in the future, what do you anticipate if it grows

[00:22:59] beyond YouTube?

[00:23:00] Like, what are your wildest dreams of success look like?

[00:23:03] The reason I ask is because sometimes I feel like, you know,

[00:23:06] include myself in this is that I don't dream big enough.

[00:23:09] My biggest dream is to build a community of just health IT students.

[00:23:14] Just because I feel like we are so siloed.

[00:23:17] Everyone's at their schools.

[00:23:18] Everyone is in their corner.

[00:23:20] It's maybe like maybe four or five people in the health IT program,

[00:23:24] but just having a place of having a community where it's people that past

[00:23:30] present are health IT professionals that can come together of all walks

[00:23:35] of life and just learn and grow with each other.

[00:23:37] That's beautiful.

[00:23:38] Oh, Juliet, thank you for spending this time with me.

[00:23:41] Thank you for the work that you do.

[00:23:43] Thank you for your vision and thank you just in general.

[00:23:46] You are a good human doing good work out in the world.

[00:23:49] So I'm I'm glad to know you need to.

[00:23:51] You are doing amazing stuff too.

[00:23:53] Just FYI.

[00:23:56] Well, thank you for spending this time with me.

[00:23:58] Right. Thank you.

[00:23:59] One last thing, Juliet, if people want to follow you or work with you,

[00:24:03] where would you direct them?

[00:24:04] If you want to work with me, I would go to or rather contact my email

[00:24:09] or contact me at my email rather.

[00:24:12] It's Ria ready, R-H-I-A-R-E-A-D-Y at Gmail.com and just shoot me a message.

[00:24:20] And I will definitely get back to you as far as just being a follower,

[00:24:25] subscribing to the YouTube channel will be great.

[00:24:27] And if you type in the word Ria essential, R-H-I-A space essential,

[00:24:33] then you'll find me.

[00:24:35] There's only one Ria essential.

[00:24:36] That's me.

[00:24:36] So please subscribe and share with those that are thinking or already a part of the health IT field.

[00:24:43] You got it.

[00:24:44] Count yourself at least one new subscriber today.

[00:24:48] Thank you.

[00:24:48] Yeah, my pleasure.

[00:24:50] Thanks for listening.

[00:24:51] You can learn more about us or this guest by going to our website

[00:24:55] or visiting us on any of the socials with the handle hit like a girl pod.

[00:24:59] Thanks again.

[00:25:00] See you soon.

[00:25:01] Again, thank you so much for listening to the hit like a girl podcast.

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[00:25:23] I'm the show's host Joy Rios and I'll see you next time.